The DJ’s Journey: Darius the Kulturelist on Music, Tech, and AI

Get ready for an electrifying journey into the exhilarating world of DJing with our special guest, Darius the Kulturelist. Darius spills the beans on his intriguing DJ name, humble beginnings, and insatiable love for music and movies. From his first gig armed with a modest DJ controller at a sweet 16 party to mastering the wheels of steel for lively pre-teens and adolescents, Darius's story is a testament to the power of passion and dedication.

Buckle up as we uncover the rapid evolution of technology in the DJing industry. Darius enlightens us about technology's pivotal role in his artistry, the underlying costs of DJing gear, and the essentials of learning from fellow DJs. Not one to shy away from controversial topics, we dig deep into the potential implications of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in the music industry, weighing its pros and cons.

As Darius gears up for his upcoming show, Turn The Tables, we walk down memory lane, reminiscing about his ascend to becoming an Open Format DJ. We delve into the significance of technology and the prospective role of AI in DJing. In a world increasingly dominated by AI, we discuss its application in music production, HR reports, and other sectors. Join us for an enlightening dialogue on DJing, music, technology, and the future of AI across diverse industries.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hi and welcome to the R2RB podcast series. Tonight I have with me Darius the Kulturelist. I'd like to ask you, or maybe three questions to get us warmed up. Well, first let me ask you how are you tonight?

Speaker 2: 0:15

I'm doing well. Thank you for having me. How are you?

Speaker 1: 0:18

I'm good. Thank you, I'm so happy to have you here. All right, if you could have any superhero power, which one would you have?

Speaker 2: 0:28

I was thinking about Superman power just because of yeah, he's a man of steel, bullets bounce off of him and he's super strong, everything like that. But he's also super fast and flying and I can definitely utilize that because I like traveling, so I won't have to pay for airfare, I can just fly there.

Speaker 1: 0:48

I like that. I like that. What's your favorite app on your phone these days?

Speaker 2: 0:53

My favorite app so far? I would say there's a two-part answer, I guess. So my favorite app would be the Nike Snickers app. Just because I love Snickers, you get to see all the new releases and something old that I want to look through, but also just all of the social media apps as well, only for marketing purposes as well. Just, I definitely utilize that a lot.

Speaker 1: 1:20

Yeah, those are definitely good and we definitely all use that. That's for sure. All right. Your third question is how did you come up with your DJ name?

Speaker 2: 1:31

Let me long story short. So I based my name off of the Five Points of Hip Hop. So the breakdown of the Five Points of Hip Hop was the Hip Hop culture is MCing, Breakdancing, B-Boxing, DJing. I think I said Breakdancing. Already Growing up, I've done three of the five so far, which is Breakdancing, B-Boxing, so now I'm actually involved in four and five, which is DJing and MCing. So I put the culture and the list. So it's the list of five and the culture of Hip Hop. So culture list.

Speaker 1: 2:16

I love that. When I was reading your bio, it's like, oh, all right, let's see how you put that together, and I like that question because every DJ, if they have something that's unique to them, they usually have a story behind it. So thank you for sharing that. All right, so you are here in Delaware, where I am as well. Did you grow up here?

Speaker 2: 2:40

Yes, I'm originally from New Jersey, but I've been here all my life, so yeah, I'm Delaware, so yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:50

Well, I'm kind of new. I've been visiting Delaware for the last 18 years, but I've been actually living here for two. I love it here, all right. Well, tell us what you do when you're not DJing. Let's start there first.

Speaker 2: 3:03

I'm actually me and my old co-workers, because I work also A group of us. We all go to the new releases of the movie Theater, like the MCU, marvel stuff.

Speaker 1: 3:16

Yes.

Speaker 2: 3:17

I'm a big Marvel guy. We're actually all going to see the Marvels this Thursday, so that should be exciting.

Speaker 1: 3:26

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:27

Outside of that, yeah, movies. And outside of DJing yeah, that's pretty much it Just hanging out with my friends and stuff like that. But yeah, I'm a big movie guy too.

Speaker 1: 3:37

Oh, wow, I have somebody I'll tell you about after the DJ, after the interview, that another friend of mine who loves the movies. Oh my gosh, all right, so was music always part of you?

Speaker 2: 3:51

Definitely. It's been always a part of me since I can remember, even in the I got a funny story, even in the womb where. So my birthday is April 1st, my. When I was born, in the hospital, my mom had me and my grandfather. My mom told me that my grandfather, after he had me, was running through the hospital stating that Marvin Gaye just died. So I was born when Marvin Gaye passed.

Speaker 1: 4:18

Oh my gosh, oh wow.

Speaker 2: 4:21

Yeah, and even when I have younger pictures to this day, where my grandfather will always sit me in front of his speaker with like the turntable with all his records and play music throughout the day and stuff. So yeah, it's been literally.

Speaker 1: 4:38

Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, april 1st. Wow, you'll always remember that that is pretty cool. So what path led you to DJing?

Speaker 2: 4:50

It kind of snowballed. Actually, like I said, I work full time but when the pandemic hit, I was got transitioned to. Instead of working in the office, I got transitioned to moving at home. So I've been working from home since 2019. And I needed it was just. I just needed an outlet. So, just, I always play music on my phone when I'm like working, whatever. So one day I just bought a like a small DJ controller and I said I'm gonna just make my own mixes just to hear my own stuff, something like that. And then I started learning how to use it and literally it snowballed from there and I would just make my own music to. A friend of mine was like hey, won't you just play for my birthday party or stuff like that. So I'm like, all right, and then literally it just snowballed.

Speaker 1: 5:38

So, once the pandemic was over and you did a couple of parties, is that when you got the bug to want to do the DJing more?

Speaker 2: 5:49

Yeah. So it kind of caught on when I started looking up other, just like connecting with other people. I mean I've been around DJs before and just never, never thought in my mind that I will be become one. But once I started actually like hands on with it and started connecting with other people and they're teaching me ins and outs of everything, and once my mind gets kept like caught on to something and I'm like All right, I'm catching on really good with it. I'm definitely going to keep going with it. So, and like, I started doing like little small, like house, like just having my friends over here at my house and I would just play music in my basement and we will just have like a little party here. And then one of my friends asked me to do a birthday party for him. I did a birthday party. Another friend asked me to do her birthday party. So I just started catching on from there. And then, once I started learning the ins and outs of everything, like how to get music and everything like that, it was just game on.

Speaker 1: 6:51

Yeah, for sure so besides playing for friends and family, you booked for a venue. Did you book a venue?

Speaker 2: 7:01

No, they did a venue book you, I should say Once I got comfortable doing, once I first put myself out there to say I wanted to do someone else outside of my friends, because my friends they just go, they don't care what I'm playing. Yeah, once someone I put myself out there and someone reached out to me and I had my first gig. That actually definitely tipped it over the edge where I was just like this is it?

Speaker 1: 7:22

And you remember that feeling.

Speaker 2: 7:24

Definitely.

Speaker 1: 7:26

So what type of event was it?

Speaker 2: 7:28

It was a sweet 16 birthday party and it was super simple. I mean I had I had some decent equipment at the time, but it was super simple. The girl gave me mainly a list of what she wanted to hear, so that helped out. The parents were super easy to get along with and then to tap it off. They said I did a good job and they tip me on top of that.

Speaker 1: 7:51

So that's the best feeling.

Speaker 2: 7:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:54

You know you're kind of like hit it on all the points.

Speaker 2: 7:57

Definitely, and then especially when you don't, when you don't expect something right and it's recognized, your talent is recognized, and then they, they go beyond for you, so that that was like a highlight for me for sure, yeah that kind of turns you all your perspective around.

Speaker 1: 8:15

When you know that in I'm sure you were nervous as hell in the beginning you know at the end to have something as nice as that to to happen to you, Good for you. What makes you stand out as a DJ?

Speaker 2: 8:27

I would say, just because of my, my play style, that I do. So I'm a little bit of like I told you, like even great in regards to music, been through my whole life. So I like, even with, like newer events or newer, younger people. If I'm playing for younger people, if I play something that they know, someone always has sampled a song from somebody before. So I'm a big nostalgia guy. So I will love, I would love to, I love to mix up older with new all the time. So even with I like recently I had a party where I mixed I didn't mix where it was a newer song, but I mixed it up with the old, so the older crowd was playing along with the kids at the same time. So that's, I think that's what, at least for me, that stands out, because I give everybody a little nostalgia.

Speaker 1: 9:16

Yeah, I mean, that's definitely something that would grab everybody and that's as a DJ, right, that's what you want to do. You want to make sure you got everybody up on the dance floor.

Speaker 2: 9:25

Definitely, and I have fun too, and I party, I dance with them If I feel like the crowd isn't into it as much as they, and then I like to play also. I like to play something that you would not expect, that like something funny, that just either something funny or something off the rails to where, as you start laughing and start dancing with it, just because you know what it is. But you would never expect somebody to play that in a party.

Speaker 1: 9:50

So and that's it. So you know, it's kind of that surprise to everybody.

Speaker 2: 9:55

Right.

Speaker 1: 9:55

You mentioned sneakers before, so you're a sneaker enthusiast, correct?

Speaker 2: 9:59

Yes.

Speaker 1: 10:00

Do you have a collection?

Speaker 2: 10:02

Actually I do so. I'm in my office slash sneaker room right now, so Wow, that's a. That's a half of it actually.

Speaker 1: 10:14

I know everybody can't see it, so how many do you have in your collection?

Speaker 2: 10:18

Right now. So I actually sold most of them. When I bought my house I use so that's to give you a picture I sold a decent amount to put down a deposit on my house Right now I think I'm close to a hundred, teetering around 90, between 90 and 100. And also the backstory of that was I used to be, right after college. I was a salesperson and then I turned into an assistant manager at a sneaker store. So and I've been, I was there for well over 10 years. So because I, even when I worked full time, always kept a part time and that was my part time at the sneaker store.

Speaker 1: 10:55

So oh my gosh, I have to tell you I love sneaker, so I'm kind of jealous.

Speaker 2: 11:02

Yeah, my, my, my wife used to yell at me cause I used to have shoeboxes everywhere, then bought our house or whatever she invests. She helped me invest in some of these boxes back here.

Speaker 1: 11:12

So Again, not everybody, you can't see it, but he has it so well organized. I'm jealous of that and kudos to your wife. What's your wife's name?

Speaker 2: 11:23

Kim Kim.

Speaker 1: 11:25

Good job. Look at that, that is just amazing. You're going to have to send me. You're going to have to send me some pictures so I can post those.

Speaker 2: 11:31

Oh yeah, for sure it didn't go to the top of that. Like I said, I'm a big movie person, so oh, look at that. I have my popcorn buckets up there.

Speaker 1: 11:38

And I love popcorn. Oh, I'm so glad we're friends.

Speaker 2: 11:43

My popcorn buckets from my movies and the collector's cups and all that.

Speaker 1: 11:46

That is so cool. Oh, yeah, you absolutely have to send pictures, because I'll post those when I post the podcast. That's crazy. Oh my God, I wasn't expecting all that. That is great. Oh, all right, we'll get back to that collection. I love it. I always do my little research and everything, and on your website you have Open Format DJ and for those of that may not know what that is, what is an Open Format DJ?

Speaker 2: 12:12

Yeah, so an Open Format DJ is to pretty much be basic is I literally play everything, no matter what type of genre it is. I've done I play Bachata, moringe, even I don't know the forgive me for not saying the proper term, but Indian music Amapiano is really popular right now Afro B so I literally play everything country rock, hard rock, yacht rock Because I listen to all of it. I just don't play it. I listen to all of it as well.

Speaker 1: 12:42

And that's the key point right there. Yeah, I listen to everything too. Do you have an event that you like to do? Birthdays, anniversary, private parties, venues.

Speaker 2: 12:51

Honestly, the best. It might sound weird, but the best gigs that I like to do is playing for like pre-teens and middle school kids.

Speaker 1: 12:59

Really.

Speaker 2: 13:00

Yeah, so like this, there's this middle school that books me. She books me actually like a year out and they have four events. Well, they have like three events every year and she books me like a year out and I actually have. I'm actually have a gig with them in two weeks. Their next event next in two weeks, but yeah so, and it's just the kids just like just having fun. I play all like the PG rated but like fun music for them, the dancing songs and all that, and they just, they just go crazy and have fun. It's so simple.

Speaker 1: 13:36

That's great.

Speaker 2: 13:38

Yeah, and they love it. I even. And then it's kind of funny too, because I was sometimes they catch me off guard because every now and then they come up to me and have requests and I'll listen to it, and then they catch me off guard. The one one little girl till this day I remember she's like, hey, can you play the Macarena? I was like, of course, of course, definitely I didn't even know, you knew that, but we want to do it now.

Speaker 1: 14:03

So they will surprise you Absolutely. You just never know what they're going to what they have heard or what they like you know, age has nothing to do with it, right?

Speaker 2: 14:13

Exactly. That's great. Oh my gosh, I like they definitely keep you on your toes.

Speaker 1: 14:17

Right, that is for sure. Oh my gosh, I have a. I have a friend up and I have a friend up in Connecticut. He's a DJ and he's about my age we're young and he played and that's how he started with, you know, with schools and sweet 16s and birthday parties, and he actually did my two girls, my two older girls, the sweet 16 birthday parties, but he was at all the schools in the town that we grew up in.

Speaker 2: 14:44

OK.

Speaker 1: 14:45

Yeah, he loved it. He loved doing all those. You know which is I mean it's.

Speaker 2: 14:50

It's so like it's. It's the most easiest job a DJ could have because it's so simple, but it's, and it's also super fun Like it's light and it's just super fun and there's no expectations, because the kids just want to have fun. Really, they literally want to have fun.

Speaker 1: 15:08

Exactly, exactly. So what advice would you give someone thinking about becoming a DJ?

Speaker 2: 15:16

The biggest advice I would say is, which I am still learning because I'm not that old into well, I'm not gonna say not that old, but I'm not that long into DJing. But I would say, always have tunnel vision If you really want to stick to it. This is something that it's. I just say it's not a one-night type of thing. You definitely have to like there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes you have to do all the time. One not even just listening to music.

Speaker 2: 15:51

You have to keep up with all the newest and latest or even some stuff that's just before your time. You have to keep up with like going to that and listen to that stuff as well. And then, on the on the heavier side, learning equipment and learning how to use the equipment. That, and with technology changing every day, is that is something you definitely have to keep up with. And then it's definitely not cheap as well. So equipment costs are super expensive. They're getting more expensive and obviously because nowadays that we live in with the inflation and stuff, it's like I said, it's just something. If you, once you get a feel of it, it's definitely fun. But if you, if there's something that you want to do, you definitely have to put your mind to it and, and, like I said, get those horse blinders and get tunnel vision, because it can. It definitely takes up, it doesn't? It does take a lot of time as well.

Speaker 1: 16:51

So yeah, I like that. I like that advice and that kind of leads into the next question did you yourself have a moment where you were thinking you were doing it well, you're doing COVID while you're home and then, once you got into being out and DJing for other people live, was there a moment that you thought what the heck am I doing?

Speaker 2: 17:12

yeah, it's just because not only you're playing for people, but every person is different. So if you're playing for like a I don't know if you're in a bar, gig or a club or something like that where you're just playing for different people, all different types of walks of life and everyone has a different opinion on everything, so it sometimes that can take a toll on you, because you either one, you're trying to play your best to have everybody dancing and you might have a floor where it's just totally empty but you feel like you're like killing it and they can, it could. It could hurt your ego a little bit, but it's.

Speaker 2: 17:53

It's one of those things where you have to have tough skin as well, because there's even yeah, there's just different types of ways where it can either hurt your ego or you get upset because some people can poke the bear, just to be just to do it, yeah, just to do it, just to get on under your skin and because either they get annoyed because you didn't play their song or you didn't play it right away, right, or it might not be that they might request a song that doesn't fit the actual crowd that you're playing for, and then they want to do something to be not just so, yeah, so yeah, it's not an easy industry.

Speaker 1: 18:38

Absolutely, because, like you said, you are dealing with so many different personalities, just just not when you're booking, but when you're there. You have so many different personalities, so many different tastes in music. So, yeah, like you said, you definitely have to have the tunnel, tunnel vision. You definitely have to shut down the buzz in the air from everybody else. And did you have a mentor in the beginning? Did you have so many things?

Speaker 2: 19:02

I have not. I've been. I literally up until this time. I've been learning everything on my own and just also watching other people. On my free time I'll look to see if any of my friends is DJing and I'll pop up and just sit back and watch them DJ and see how they're doing with the crowd, or I'll just watch someone online or on my downtime I'll watch a bunch of different like YouTube videos on something that I want to learn new.

Speaker 1: 19:35

So there's a never-ending learning in your industry because it, like you were saying about equipment and technology, how quickly it changes. My partner, ron, who's been DJing since he was, I think, 13 he's, he's younger than me but older than you and you know just. But I mean they would create all that vinyl around and crates, you know, and they would run down to the, the record store to get the latest album and you know, who was gonna get it first and who was gonna play it first, and you know just got out with it in that

Speaker 2: 20:10

area right yeah, I definitely. I've definitely give props to, to those DJs that started in like earlier in, like the late 80s, early 90s and stuff where they there was no computer, it was just straight records and yeah, I mean they worked from and it's crazy, you know, on on reels.

Speaker 1: 20:32

I mean, then that's where we've gotten our name. R2rb is real to real broadcasting and those reels and the machines and you know, having to go back and know where to stop and splice and but, like, oh my gosh. And then, and then the vinyl and all the equipment and the big speakers, and you know that was yeah, it was crazy. And then, coming forward to now, it's like wow belt driven turntables.

Speaker 2: 20:57

And, yeah, gotta deal with the needles. The needles may mess up, so you gotta get new needles just to play the record and then and then you had it.

Speaker 1: 21:05

You know it took a chance of having the record scratched exactly oh my gosh. Yeah, what a time. I'm telling you ay-ay-ay. But yeah, I mean, let me ask you this question about AI. Have you had any? I don't even know what the question I want to ask about it. I know that it's in everybody's life. Do you think it's a good thing, or pros or cons, your thoughts on it? In the music industry?

Speaker 2: 21:37

um, I mean, I don't. I see more constant pros, honestly, but I I'm the type of person that I'm not. I wouldn't say I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I would say that I Don't. I don't put nothing past anyone in regards to certain things go in certain ways. So, like, every time someone speak up of AI, I automatically go back to the movie I robot and Like I mean, if anybody seen that movie, they know like, how. Like yeah, people relied on it for a certain period of time and then that one thing just turned. That one thing turns and it affected everybody else. I mean not saying that it won't happen, but not saying it will either. But exactly.

Speaker 1: 22:27

We don't know, we have no idea. No, I mean, I in for our to our be broadcasting, I think, djs. I Don't think it'll ever be able to take over completely anything or any job, so but it's out there, it's definitely out there and I think there's a lot of pros to it as well. But, yeah, it'll be interesting, definitely interesting, all right.

Speaker 2: 22:51

So I'm sorry. I had a conversation with my wife recently about it too and because she's in, she's in the HR industry and she was stating that how, like certain parts because you know what a lot of there's like, was it called like chat, gpt, that where a lot of people are using that in regards to writing certain like job performances and stuff like that, where that can be a way for companies to be Taking away jobs and stuff like that too. So it Is, it's a, I mean, it's a gift in the curse. And then also see, I don't know if you've seen where they they did a AI Drake with Drake and they did a song with well, they did a Drake AI. Yeah, it was a whole song with him. And then they did another AI with the rapper, the baby, and it was crazy because we thought it was so, I think, but I'm mistaken I think Drake was like trying to sue somebody in regards to that.

Speaker 1: 23:51

So and I don't blame him. On the other side, though, then, with the song, with the Beatles song, recently, oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:57

Yeah, so that was, you know, in that respect, it was, you know, pretty awesome that they were able to, you know, take out was it John Lennon's voice that was being drowned out by the guitar, and being able to, you know, separate that and bring his voice up. So, in that regard, that's a great thing. But, yeah, like your wife was saying, with the HR reports and and you know, I mean I've tested it all out myself as well, but you have to be so careful so you can rely on it, but you still have to rely on yourself, because there's still so many errors and you can't always be certain that it is fact.

Speaker 1: 24:31

Right that that's in, whatever it may be writing it. So I use for my podcast. The company that I use for that has an AI where it does a Script for me, but I have to go back and edit it and change it and check it also. Yeah, there's, there's, they'll be a. There's gonna be a lot more to talk about AI, but for now we'll leave it there.

Speaker 2: 24:55

Yeah, it's the early beginnings of it. So exactly.

Speaker 1: 25:00

All right, so is there anything else you'd like to share with everybody that I haven't touched on?

Speaker 2: 25:05

Yeah, so I'm actually in a DJ competition with. His name is pretty Lou. He's a MC out of New York. He's pretty famous. He's with the, the heavy hitters, the famous DJs, with DJ enough, anyways. So yeah, he runs a, he's runs like a DJ competition and I'm actually in that competition on November 20, 9th, it's in Elizabeth, new Jersey, at barcode.

Speaker 2: 25:38

And what the comma, how to what the competition is, is the like to give you a breakdown of it. They test you, they test your knowledge and they also test your equipment. Now, meaning like, for example, when I made it, there was an audition of 200 DJs. I made it out of 30. I was the Out of the 200 DJs. They picked 32 and I made it.

Speaker 2: 26:01

Um, now they did A tryout, and which I'll give you an example of. What my trial was was how they test you is they told me to do A Buster Rhymes feature set. Now what that means is I can't play nothing besides Buster Rhymes and it can't be a Buster Rhymes song. He's only featured on a song. So what that means is that has to. Where it tests you is that means it tests your laptop and your which, on your laptop, is testing your cue points, if your cue points are set up, if you have a song to where, as it has, I don't know, like Mariah Carey and Buster Rhymes, you can't play the Mariah Carey part. You have to play the Buster Rhymes, wow, so, yeah, so, and then I had to do that for just a couple of minutes because it was just an audition. But also, what they do is while you're playing that set, they have a thing called a monkey wrench. So what the monkey wrench is, they throw a random song at you and you have to play that within your set.

Speaker 1: 27:06

Wow.

Speaker 2: 27:07

The monkey wrench could be literally anything.

Speaker 1: 27:10

Anything.

Speaker 2: 27:12

And that's just to test you to see if you know your music and if you have that song, wow Well, and obviously you passed.

Speaker 2: 27:20

Yeah, so I got, I got away with it. But there's, I've been looked at. Like I said, I've been going to the competitions and watching them online and I've been actually tracking it and so far, so good. So I'm just crossed my fingers to and you're actually going up against another DJ, so they're. While you're doing that, then if you pass you good, and then they do the same thing to the other DJ, and then if say, for instance, we both got everything correct, at the end we go to sudden death. We have to battle each other.

Speaker 1: 27:51

Oh my gosh, and where can somebody watch this?

Speaker 2: 27:55

Yeah, so it's on his Instagram. Name is pretty Lou 11. So P R E T T Y L O U the number 11. Cool, you will have to because he's not showing it on his live. He's, actually you have to subscribe to his live to watch it, which is for 499. But yeah, it's definitely something to look into, especially if any other DJ wants to try it out or just something to watch. Is is is pretty, is super dope, it's not going to be watching.

Speaker 2: 28:30

Yeah, and they have. They have celebrities, they have celebrity guest DJs there. Last week Sway was there. He was the guest DJ from from a series XM.

Speaker 1: 28:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:42

And then Mr C was no, not Mr C, I'm sorry. Yeah, mr C did it. Yeah, so they have a bunch of, and then also that in the crowd you might get some celebrities that pop up too. So, yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 28:59

That is cool. And now they have Darius the Kulturelist.

Speaker 2: 29:03

Definitely.

Speaker 1: 29:05

And let everybody know where they can find you.

Speaker 2: 29:08

Yeah, for sure, everything I so, like I said, I'm still learning everything, but I have my website now is the cultural is T H E K U L T U R E L I S T. I know that's a little long, but it's the cultural is with a K. You can either type in Google and all my, all my social media and my website, a pop up there, or you can just go to my website directly and then I'll have all my social media links on my webpage as well.

Speaker 1: 29:41

And is that where they can book you?

Speaker 2: 29:42

Yes, okay, you can book me on my. You can book me through Google as well. I have a link through Google Google and you can book me on my website.

Speaker 1: 29:52

Yep, very cool, awesome. I'm a culturalist. I appreciate you being here. This has been. I have enjoyed getting to know you and all about you and I am looking forward to watching you on the heavy hitters Is that it?

Speaker 2: 30:09

The show is called turn the tables. Turn the tables, all right, I apologize, I know I was missing something. Yeah, the show is called turn the tables by pretty little Yep.

Speaker 1: 30:18

Okay, turn the tables. Yeah, I am looking forward to that, and we'll have to talk about that again. So thank you.

Speaker 2: 30:24

Thank you for coming. I definitely appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 30:26

Oh, you're welcome. You have a good night.

Speaker 2: 30:28

Thank you.